Thursday, November 26, 2015

Chapter 5 - Negotiating Your Account


Negotiating your account in 5 steps

The most important thing to remember when negotiating is that 90 percent of the time, you have the upper hand. I know it may not always seem like it, but it’s the reality of it. This is because you have something the creditor wants, the almighty dollar!

Prior to offering a settlement you’ll need to get organized. That’s the first and most significant step! If you’re a debtor who has 10 or more accounts, then you’ll definitely need some sort of system for keeping track of everything. Some accounts may take longer to settle than others, and it can be difficult to remember the last conversation you had with a collector or what offer you made.
 

I suggest creating a separate file for each account. When you’re ready to start, grab the most recent statements, separate them into file folders and mark accordingly. From there, every time you receive a collection letter, file it in the proper folder. When you have a conversation with a creditor, write down your notes and file them. When you get the account settled, file the settlement letter and any proof of payment in the corresponding folder. For those tech savvy folks, you can always use whatever program works best for you, whether it’s Outlook, Word, or Excel, just make sure that you also have a paper file for any documents that you receive.
 

The next step is to figure out your finances. When you have roughly 25-30 percent of the balance, on an account you’re looking to settle, you should consider making an offer. Even if you only have 10 percent of the balance you can still make an offer; however, they’ll most likely counter with a higher dollar amount. Settlements as low as 10 percent have been offered by creditors through the mail, but are generally sent on older accounts. Remember, there are always exceptions to the rules.
 

I know I keep saying this throughout the book, but I want to make sure you really got it!
If you offer a lump sum amount of money versus payments, you’re more likely to get your offer approved. But, before we get into dollar amounts you’ll need to know some basics.

There are two types of offers, one in writing and the other over the phone. In addition, the method of offering a settlement will vary depending on whether an original creditor, collection agency or a law firm is handling it.
 

If you’re dealing with an original creditor or collection agency, especially the ones overseas (NOTE: you can’t miss the heavy accent) you can start by offering something very low, like 15 percent. American banks and collection agencies hire call rooms in India, or other countries, to handle their dirty work, because the wages in those other Countries are a lot lower than in the states. These call rooms, have highly aggressive collectors and sometimes, when you explain your situation, they could care less. All they’re looking for is your money. My recommendation, if you get an overseas collector that isn’t willing to help you on a settlement, is to call a local number for your bank or collection agency during the day. Try to get an American on the phone, because believe it or not, you’ll probably have more luck in getting the deal that you want.


If you’re making an offer to a law firm, I highly recommend you fax and mail a written offer, and then follow up with a phone call. If a law firm’s been retained to collect your debt, you should find out if they’re licensed in your state. This is important! There are many law firms out there that can’t legally practice law in every state due to lack of proper licensing.
 

An easy way to check if they’re licensed is to call and ask for the attorney’s name and bar number. If you received a letter from them, sometimes they include this information.
 

If you’re dealing with a law firm that can practice law in your state, you should know that the risk of having a lawsuit filed against you is greater. Of course there are variables to this. For example, if your account is past the statute of limitations for a lawsuit, then anything filed with the courts could immediately be dismissed, so long as you send the proper documentation.

STEP 1: How to write a settlement letter
Being a good writer doesn’t come naturally to everyone. Some of you were probably too busy doodling in your notebook, or perhaps chatting it up with Sarah in the third row, rather than getting an A+ in English (this includes me). Thank God for the internet!
 

Writing a settlement offer letter can be daunting; however, it’s very effective in the negotiation process. No one likes to tell their sad, pitiful story about what happened to them and why they owe money. The good news is that a great settlement offer letter isn’t purely based off of a hardship story; it’s also about the cold hard cash. You know what they say, money talks! And that’s no joke.
 

So what’s a hardship? It can best be described as a time of suffering or distress. When people encounter hardships in life, the first thing that gets affected are their finances. When you write your settlement offer letter I highly recommend you include some hardship information. This is a way of pleading your case. A hardship can qualify as any of the following:
 

• Medical illness resulting in lack of work
 

• Medical bills
 

• Loss of job for you or spouse
 

• Reduction of income for you or spouse
 

• Reduction of hours at work resulting in decreased income
• Failed business
 

• Job or home relocation
 

• Death of a spouse or co-borrower
 

• Incarceration
 

• Divorce
 

• Marital separation
 

• Military duty
 

• Damage to property (Natural or unnatural disaster)

One of the most common misunderstandings that consumers have, when writing their hardship letter, is thinking they deserve a settlement. Let’s clear this up; it’s up to the creditor whether or not a settlement is approved, not the debtor. Even with all that bailout money the federal government doled out, the truth is, you’re responsible for 100 percent of your debt. The purpose of the hardship letter is to convince the creditor to accept your settlement proposal by explaining your situation. Hardship information can play an important part in whether your offer gets approved or not. When explaining your hardship you want to be careful about the information you divulge. Too much personal information can work against you, while too little, may appear like you don’t have a hardship at all. Here’s an example of a poorly written hardship:
 
Dear Creditor,

I’m writing this letter to explain why I’ve become delinquent on my debts. I’ve done everything in my power to make ends meet, unfortunately, I’ve fallen short and would like you to accept $500 as a settlement on my account. My number one goal is to get out of debt. I got into debt after investing a lot of money into the stock market and then it crashed. This was the same year I got clean and sober from drugs and alcohol. I also let a friend borrow $30,000 to help him out; however, he hasn’t paid me back and I’ve been unable to reach him for over two years. Please accept my offer so I can become debt free.

Thank You,
Sincerely,

John Doe


Yikes! Where to begin? For one, Joe doesn’t explain why he can’t afford his minimum payments, other than a vague explanation of poor investments. Second, by explaining that he got clean and sober is a perfect example of giving too much personal information.  Although he may think it’ll help his case, it probably won’t. Here’s an example of a well written hardship:

Dear Creditor,

My wife and I are currently experiencing a financial hardship. We understand we have a debt with your company and would like to work out a resolution. We are requesting that your company accept a settlement of $1500 on the above referenced account.

We have been having financial difficulties as a result of purchasing our home without a full understanding of our mortgage. A little less than a year ago our mortgage payment increased by $900 a month. We suddenly found ourselves unable to afford the payment and fell three months behind. We hired a company to help modify our loan, only to find out that the bank couldn’t approve us for any modification. Today, May 28th, is the official day our home gets foreclosed. We’re currently living with a family member until we find another place to live.

In addition, I had my hours cut at work. I went from a full time schedule (40 hours a week) plus 10 hours of overtime; to working only three days a week without any overtime. It’s either that or I have to quit my job. My company informed me this was going to be a temporary cut; however, it has already been eight months, and I see no change in sight. My wife is only able to work part time due to her disability. Her income, on average, is about $230 a week. We have two small children; her income mainly pays for food and day care.

Once our mortgage went up, and I had a reduction in hours, we were unable to keep up with the credit card payments. We have a total of $65,000 of debt. We are desperately trying to avoid bankruptcy and work this out on our own. As a result, we have been saving some funds and are offering the following:

$1500 available upon approval to settle our account in full and removed from our credit reports once final payment has cleared.

If we were able to pay more on all our accounts, frankly we would. Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Sincerely,
Bob and Jane Smith

 
As you can see Bob and Jane Smith took the time to explain, not only the reason why they could no longer afford their credit cards, but also provided details regarding work and income. This is key. Depending on a variety of factors, which I’ll go over, your letter should be brief, or very thorough. A creditor will pay close attention to your current financial situation when they receive your hardship letter. In some cases, they may ask you to provide a copy of your paystubs, bank statements or other personal documentation.
 

If you can avoid providing financial information, you’ll be better off. However, in some cases it may help you more than anything. For example; if your income is truly in the lower bracket, say around $2,000 a month or less, you don’t own any property, and are a single parent who works part time. This is ideal information to provide. In most cases, they could care less about your personal trials and tribulations. Providing personal information is a way for them to consider whether you’re a good candidate for wage garnishment, bank levy or a property lien.

NOTE: If you HAVE to provide documentation (usually with law firms) make sure you white out the important stuff like bank account numbers and place of employment.

In the above example, this woman probably wouldn’t qualify for wage garnishment due to her low income and being a single parent. I’ve personally seen the courts either waive a wage garnishment order or lower it to practically nothing for single/low income families. In addition, she doesn’t own a home which means the creditor has no option of a property lien. When it comes to a bank levy, she’s most likely living paycheck to paycheck; leaving her with little to no savings. Good luck getting money out of that bank account! Are you starting to see how this works?



The purpose of the hardship letter is to let them know three things:
 

1. Why you couldn’t afford your payments, and any steps you may have taken to resolve the matter 2. Your current financial situation and any assets you own 3. How much money you have to offer as a settlement

You have to switch your thinking and put yourself in the creditor’s shoes. When you say “I only work three days a week” to them, this translates into “I’m not qualified for wage garnishment.” Get the idea?

In the hardship letter example I gave earlier, ‘Bob and Jane Smith’ touched on all three of the above points. They explained how their mortgage affected their finances. They didn’t put the blame on anyone but themselves. They explained their part time working schedule, which directly reflects their income. They explained their lack of assets (home was lost to foreclosure) and also stated how much debt they have, ($65,000.) All of the above is going to give the creditor a pretty good idea as to what kind of candidate this debtor is for possible legal action. As a creditor, I know I’d be lucky to get one dollar from a debtor in this type of financial rut.

Some websites or consultants may tell you NOT to include a settlement offer in your hardship letter, or they tell you to avoid the word “SETTLE” altogether. Let’s be real, the creditor can smell a settlement from a mile away when they get a hardship letter. Be clear about the purpose of your letter while also providing as much information as possible so the creditor can make the right decision, the one that’s ultimately in your favor! Here are some more tips for writing your hardship letter:

• KEEP IT SHORT: Try and keep your letter to one page. A creditor isn’t interested in reading a novel or a sob story. You’ll lose their attention, and they may never finish reading or considering your situation. If one page isn’t enough, make it two but no more.

• GIVE YOUR FINANCIAL INFORMATION: Provide them with just enough so they can make a sound decision. This includes details such as; how much you pay for your mortgage (or rent), how much money you make every month, how many hours of work you put in, sources of income such as disability or unemployment, and so on. Don’t disclose where you work or volunteer that you have large amounts of money sitting in some savings account.

• BE POLITE AND COURTEOUS: As I stated earlier, some folks feel they’re entitled to a discount or settlement. They’re not. The simplicity is that they’re asking for one.

• MAKE IT PERSONAL: Realize that another person is going to be reading and considering your settlement offer, not a computer. Give as much detail as possible while also keeping it brief. For example, don’t be embarrassed by some medical condition, include all of the information, it could make or break a settlement deal.

• MAKE A CLEAR OFFER: Don’t beat around the bush when it comes to your settlement offer. Let them know exactly how much you have, down to the penny. The exact payment date(s), and any preferred method of payment.

• DON’T SOUND TOO EAGER: Realize some debts are so old that they would be more than happy to agree to your offer.

When getting ready to fax or mail your settlement offer letter, always call ahead of time and find out the name and contact information for the collector assigned to your account. Going online and grabbing the general fax number from their website or sending your letter to some generic e-mail address will get you nowhere. Include the contact information for the collector to ensure it gets properly routed to them. If the collector has a direct e-mail or fax, that’s even better. Once you’ve sent your settlement offer letter, wait. If you don’t receive a phone call, fax or e-mail within 48 hours, follow up with them. The goal of the initial settlement/hardship letter is to get the creditor to agree to a dollar amount and then get a written agreement! Some recommend that you send your own version of a settlement letter for them to agree to and sign. I don’t recommend this. It doesn’t have the same weight in court as a settlement agreement on their letterhead. If you’re not the best at writing contracts, well, you could leave yourself open to all sorts of future problems.

LAW FIRM VERSUS COLLECTION AGENCY: You should know that a law firm will examine and determine your settlement differently than a regular collection agency. I went over this before. However, try sending them a hardship letter without financial documentation first. If they request documentation then send it to them, if they don't, you shouldn't bother. Sometimes your offer may be enough for them to waive any requirements, and they will simply accept the offer. Here’s another example of a hardship letter:




{Your Name}
{Street Address}
{City, State, Zip Code}
{Phone: 000-000-0000}

{Month, Day, Year}

{Debt Collection Agencies Name}
Text Box: SETTLEMENT OFFER LETTER EXAMPLE{Street Address}
{City, State, Zip Code}
{Phone: 000-000-0000}

Re: {Your Name}
Account: {Name of Delinquent Account}
Account#: {Account or Reference Number}

Attn: (Name of Debt collector)
Fax: (If you are sending through fax)

Dear (Name of Collection Agency),


Hello. My wife and I are writing this letter to explain the unfortunate set of circumstances that have caused us to become delinquent on our debts. We understand we have a debt with your company and would like to work out a resolution. We’re requesting that you accept a settlement of $
__ on the above referenced account.

My wife Carol was diagnosed with lung cancer in 2007. In late September of 2007, she had surgery and had a lung removed. Shortly after, she began chemo therapy and radiation treatment. Although she had medical insurance, it didn’t cover 25 percent of the medical debt. We now had over $75,000 in medical bills. As a result, we used our credit cards to keep her going on her treatments and stay afloat. I’m the only one working currently, and the money I make doesn’t cover our monthly expenses. In addition, I’ve had to take intermittent time off to be able to take care of my wife. We’re currently in default on our mortgage and have been attempting to work out a loan modification for months. However, the bank isn’t responding, and foreclosure looks imminent. We’re trying to avoid bankruptcy but have consulted with an attorney on the subject. Again, we’re offering the following resolution:


$1,500 available upon approval to settle our account in full “Paid as Agreed”







Thank you for your consideration. I can be reached at (000) 000-0000 to discuss this further.







Sincerely,



Your signature               





Your name (typed)   

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STEP 2: Negotiate your Credit Report

Many people think that debt settlement hurts your credit. It’s not debt settlement itself that affects the score, its being behind on payments. As a matter of fact, if you’re already late on most of your bills and they’ve charged off, then most likely your score is in the dumps anyway.

Every time you settle a debt your credit score gets marked with a slightly more positive rating than a charge off. Each credit reporting agency will have their codes for marking an account status; however, they’re similar. The credit report codes you should know are as follows:

00         Not rated, too new to rate, or approved but not used
01           Pays as agreed
02           30-59 days past due
03           60-89 days past due
04           90-119 days past due
05           120 days or more past due
08           Repossession
8A           Voluntary Repossession
09           Charged off to bad debt - Placed for Collection

When a settlement is complete a creditor will notify the credit bureaus that the account is either:
·         Settled
·         Paid Not as Agreed
·         Paid
·         Remove it from your credit altogether

It greatly helps if you negotiate the terms of your credit while you negotiate your account.  You can always ask a collection agency or creditor to mark it Paid as Agreed or have the account removed altogether, but that doesn’t mean they have to do it. The fact is, you’re already asking them to accept half the amount originally owed or less. It’s entirely up to them how they want to mark the account, so long as it’s not a fraudulent mark. You may have noticed, earlier in my settlement offer letter example, I wrote the offer as follows:

$1,500 available upon approval to settle our account in full “Paid as Agreed”

If you don’t want it to be marked “Paid as Agreed” you can always ask for something like:

A.      $1,500 available upon approval to settle our account in full and account marked as “Settled”

B.      $1,500 available upon approval to settle our account in full and Credit Report marked as “Paid”

C.      $1,500 available upon approval to settle our account in full and account removed from credit history

Once you receive the actual settlement letter from the collection agency pay close attention to the wording. They should disclose to you what they decide to mark on your credit report. Although sometimes they can be pretty vague like; “Once the final payment is received, please allow 30-60 day for us to contact the credit bureaus to mark your account accordingly” or something or this sort.

If your credit score is important, take the time to negotiate the terms before any payment is made. Once again, don’t make any verbal agreements regarding the above. Get it in writing. If you discussed your credit with the collector and you both agreed on the marking, then make sure they include that in the terms of the letter.

Obviously option “C” of having the account removed from your credit would be ideal, however, the likelihood of that happening is slim. Of course, it never hurts to ask. My second option would be “B” having the account marked as PAID this just looks better than SETTLED or PAID NOT AS AGREED. If you’re currently paying accounts, such as a house or car loan, or are current on other credit cards, then your score should improve more rapidly than if you’re not. If everything on your report is delinquent, and you’re paying nothing currently, or on time, it’s going to be harder to get your score improved. To be truthful, I always imagined the credit bureaus just spinning a wheel when your name was called and whatever number it landed on, bam! That’s your credit score. Of course, that’s not the case. They have very sophisticated software that determines your score based off a number of factors. That’s another book in itself. Ok, moving on.

STEP 3: Making the first phone call


Alright! I hope by now you feel a little more confident with your settlement letter writing skills. Let’s talk about the follow up. If they don’t call within the first 48 hours, you can safely assume your settlement offer didn’t interest them sufficiently, they’re too busy or on some vacation somewhere soaking up the sun and sucking on some tropical drink with an umbrella.

Don’t worry. It happens all the time. They know if a debtor takes the time to draft a settlement/hardship letter and get it to them that it’ll most likely be followed up by a phone call. Most of the time; those lazy collectors will pick up the phone and call only if your offer is too good to be true.

Before you pick up that phone, you need to sharpen your negotiating skills. Whether you realize it or not, you negotiate every day. Whether it be trying to get your kids to eat their vegetables, asking for time off of work, or getting your husband to do the dishes. Everything is negotiable, and that’s the truth. The problem is, people don’t know this ,and they just don’t ask. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve simply asked for a free slice of pie or a discount on my purchase and like magic, they agree. The trick is simple, don’t be afraid to ask.

Although I’m about to teach you how to negotiate your debt, feel free to use this precious knowledge in your everyday life. Let’s get started!

The moment you get the collector on the line, ask them if they received your fax or e-mail? If they say no, ask them if they’d like you to resend it. Not all of us have the greatest verbal skills, and if your settlement offer letter looks anything like my examples; it can do a lot of the negotiation work for you. If needed, re-send your letter and wait another 48 hours before following up again.

Once the letter has been confirmed as received, don’t be surprised if the phone call starts out with one of two scenarios:

• They’ll begin by asking some invading questions regarding your finances or personal affairs.

• They’ll cut right to the chase and inform you your settlement was rejected.


BE PREPARED: I recommend writing down a financial breakdown before you call.

For example:

MONTHLY INCOME          $3,000
RENT/MORTGAGE        -$1,200
CAR/TRANSPORT               -$400
INSURANCE                          -$120
UTILITIES                              -$200
FOOD                                    -$300
PHONE/INTERNET           -$200
CHILD CARE                        -$400
________________________
LEFT OVER MONEY          -$180

I’m going to explain why you need the above in just a second. First, there are three noticeable types of collection agencies out there:

A. Law firm type collection agencies that sue
B. A regular collection agency with well trained employees and procedures
C. Overseas call centers that collect on old debt

For collection agencies “A” and “B”, it’s best to cooperate and give them a general idea of your finances. You may not know this, but some collectors are punching away at their calculators while you rattle off your expenses. If you forget some expenses, it’s going to look like you have a lot of extra cash each month when in reality you may not. By writing everything down ahead of time, you can quickly answer their questions and save quite a bit of frustration.

If you’re trying to settle a debt with agency “C” and they ask for financials, you could just say “I’m sorry, but I’m unable to provide that information.” 90 percent of the time, they’ll simply say okay and move on. Try it! Having your financial information doesn’t necessarily help this type of agency. Usually your debt is too old for a lawsuit, and they know it. Cash is king! Stick to dollar amounts with overseas companies.

Ok, hopefully you can get the financial information out of the way so you can begin discussing the meat and potatoes. There are several tactics that play an important role in negotiations. As a matter of fact, what I’m about to tell you are basic sales techniques and overall street smarts. Using this information may greatly influence whether your settlement gets approved or not.

Bluff
Always offer a settlement percentage lower than what you expect to get approved. When the creditor comes back and counters your offer with something higher, inform them you “need to check with your spouse or check your finances.” Essentially, you and the creditor are both bluffing. They may tell you, “We can only accept 75 percent!” When in reality they can settle for much less. This is a typical hook and bait technique. They’re throwing out a line and waiting to see if you bite. By “checking with your spouse” you’re really bluffing.

Take your time - Stall
Be patient when it comes to settling debt. Some accounts can be settled in a day while others can take months. Funny enough, the dollar amount has no effect on how long it’ll take to settle. For example, it could take you a month to settle a debt of $550, while a creditor may approve your settlement on a $45,000 debt in one afternoon. Creditors know that some debtors are desperate to settle their account as it could mean the difference between getting approved for a new home or car loan. If you don’t like their offer or they won’t budge, hang up and call back in a week or so. Repeat as necessary until they accept your offer. By taking your time, you’re being firm and showing the creditor you have the “luxury” of accepting their offer or not. This shows you don’t need to settle but rather want to settle. There is a big difference between the two. Some creditors only have a short window to collect on an account before it goes back to the debt buyer or original creditor. The closer you get to the end date, the more likely they’ll be to accept your offer. It’s either that or nothing, and they know it!


Shut Up and Listen
This technique always reminds me of an animal circling around a writhing snake waiting to find just the right angle before it strikes. Some people find it extremely difficult to just…listen. Most creditors are accustomed to high stress and upset consumers. That’s a given. They’re used to being cut off or hung up on and are quick to find a resolution while you’re actually still on the phone. Everyone loves to be listened to; it’s not only an ego booster but also creates a professional relationship. By listening rather than talking, you’re letting the creditor know you’re not a threat and are also giving him the opportunity to slip up and accidentally give you the information you need.

In addition, I highly recommend you add some silence to the conversation. Wait…silence? Yes! This is an amazing trick. I love it, and have used it or had it used on me several times. I want you to try this. When a creditor tells you the approved settlement amount, don’t say anything, just wait five to 10 seconds. Keep quiet. Awkward, right? People hate this and are quick to say anything to alleviate the silence. In fact, the creditor will most likely jump in real quick and either bring down their offer or give you another option. If you want, wait even longer. This technique is bound to drive any creditor mad! Try practicing by adding silence to a conversation with someone you know. You may learn something new about them.

Play Dumb
This is probably the most important technique. By playing dumb, you’re giving your opponent the impression that you’re not a threat, which means they’ll usually begin to relax and may say things they otherwise wouldn’t. People are more likely to help out a dumb person than the smart know-it-all. Don’t be afraid to ask a lot of questions. Here’s a short list of dumb questions you can ask that will undoubtedly give you the answers you’re looking for.

Why?
Why Not?
What do you mean?
What do I need to do?
Can you tell me more about that?
Can you tell me how it all works?


Seems too simple right? A good example of a “Playing it Dumb” conversation would go something like this:



COLLECTOR: “I’m sorry, we can’t accept your offer. Our Client wants 80 percent!”
YOU: “But why?”
COLLECTOR: “Because, those are our guidelines”
YOU: “What do you mean?”
COLLECTOR: “Look, we have our own agreements in place with Bank of America and we’re not allowed to accept anything less than 80 percent.”
YOU: “What do you mean by agreements?”
COLLECTOR: “We have a contracted agreement with all of our creditors. In order to submit anything less than 80 percent, I’d need more hardship information from you and documentation supporting it.”
YOU: “Oh, I see. Well what documents would you need exactly?”
COLLECTOR: “Your paystubs and any proof regarding the hardship information you provided.”
YOU: “If that will help, then I’ll see what I can do to come up with that data.”



Did you see what happened there? The collector started out saying there was no way they would accept less than 80 percent of the balance, then shortly after, said they could re-submit the proposal if hardship information was provided. Again, play dumb, ask questions!


IF YOUR SETTLEMENT WAS APPROVED: Great! But you’re not finished yet. There are a few more things to do:

1. Inform the company that you need to get a settlement agreement in writing and provide them with either, a fax number, an e-mail address or ask them to mail it. I’d avoid email altogether unless that’s their only option. Reason being that some collectors think that writing a little paragraph constitutes as a settlement letter. This does not represent the collection company’s agreement to settle. What you want is an agreement on their letterhead.

2. Never provide banking information until you receive the settlement agreement in writing. Some collectors will claim they can’t send you a letter until they get your money. That’s bologna. Be firm and adamant that you don’t make verbal agreements. You never know when a collector is going to take your money and run. Meaning, they never had approval to take the settlement in the first place.

3. If they’re going to mail you a letter, agree to a payment date that allows enough time for you to receive it and get the payment to them. In some rare instances, you may provide a postdated check as confirmation that your payment will be made. The only problem with this is if you don’t receive the letter and forget to cancel the payment, it’ll process anyway. Trying to get your money back from a collection agency is harder than you think. They’ll apply the money to the full balance of the account, and you’ll have to settle it all over again.

4. Never issue payment on a settlement if the payment date has expired. Your money will simply get applied toward your debt, and you’ll still owe 100 percent of the difference.

5. When you receive the settlement letter, make sure to check it. Even collectors make mistakes. If the dollar amount or payment date is incorrect you’ll need to request a new one from the collector.


STEP 4: How to counter offer a settlement


IF YOUR SETTLEMENT WAS DISAPPROVED: This is where the fun begins. Some creditors like to throw in a threat or two whenever possible. Never react to these threats; otherwise they’ll continue. Simply acknowledge him or her with “I understand” or something similar and leave it at that.

I’ve tried just about every negotiation tactic you can think of in my years of experience. One method that worked the best for a rejected settlement offer was:

Ask the Creditor what they ARE able to settle for. Some collectors may counter your offer with a ridiculous percentage such as 80 percent of the balance. Don’t get angry. Again, acknowledge them “I see…hmm” and inform them you need to check with your spouse/partner, or finances/bank account, to see if you can come up with any extra money. Call back in 24-48 hours and offer 10-15 percent more than YOUR original offer.


This tactic works like a charm for several reasons:

1. You’re not responding by being angry, which is often the case when consumers are faced with such a high counter offer.

2. They most likely think you’re going to come back and accept the 80 percent offer.

3. When you do call back and offer more money, even if it’s 10-15 percent more, it shows you’re making an effort and working with the collector. They’ll be more likely to consider your counter offer.

If the creditor blatantly denies your counter offer, they’ll either stick with the 80 percent or lower it by roughly 10-15 percent. If you’re not satisfied then repeat the step above. Literally! Inform them you need to figure out if you can get more money and hang up. Call back in 24-48 hours and either tell them all you have is $

_ or increase your offer by another 10-15 percent. This is how it works. You’re both going back and forth until you agree to a dollar amount. Believe it or not ladies and gentlemen, it’s called negotiation!

If you’re solid in your decision and you don’t want to settle for more than (for example) 30 percent, then let them know and stick to it. Stay silent, and wait for their response. I repeat, stay silent. This is key. Remember how I told you to shut up and listen? Ok good.

They’ll either inform you that they can’t accept your offer, or they’ll say “Ok, let me submit your offer and see what the client says” By “Client” they’re referring to the original creditor.

Depending on how old your account is, and other variable factors, your account could have been purchased by a debt buyer, who in turn, forwarded it to a collection agency. So, if the collection agency says “I’ll have to check with my client” what that means is they need to check with the debt buyer, NOT the original creditor. At this point, the original creditor has nothing to do with your account.

Why is this important information to have? A debt buyer will likely treat your account differently than the original creditor. Debt buyers tend to bounce delinquent accounts from collection agency to collection agency like ping pong balls. The turnaround time is crazy in the collection Industry.

The good news is that you could have short windows of time to deal with one particular agency. Let’s say your account is being handled by an agency with a real attitude problem, and they won’t budge from their ridiculous settlement percentage. Just wait six months, I guaranty, you’ll get a letter in the mail from some other agency trying to collect that account. Try re-negotiating with the new agency, you could have better luck.

In the past, if you had an account you were unable to settle because the collection agency was being difficult, you had to wait two to three years. Thank goodness that’s not as common these days.

You can usually tell if your account was purchased by a debt buyer if the name looks anything like the below:


Cache, LLC.
Asset Recovery Associates
National Recovery Solutions, LLC
Asset Recovery and Management, LLC
Hilco Receivables, LLC

The list goes on and on, but you get the idea. If you’re unsure if your debt’s was purchased by a debt buyer, you can simply ask the collector, “Who owns my debt?” or if you have a statement from them, check the internet.



STEP 5: Practice makes perfect

Ok, before we go any further, let’s practice your negotiation skills. A conversation can go 10,000 different ways. You should know your stuff and be prepared for anything. I want to give you some examples of some typical collection calls. Pay attention, I give some pretty good lines that you can steal and use the next time you’re on the phone.

In the below example, let’s say there’s a $1,000 credit card that someone is trying to settle it for $300. Let’s see what happens.


COLLECTOR:       *Nasally voice* Cheatem and Krammer collections, how can I help you?
DEBTOR:              Hi, my name is Joe Smith and I’m calling regarding my account.
COLLECTOR:       What’s your phone number and social security number?
DEBTOR:              Sure thing, my phone number is (000)-000-0000 and Social number is xxx-xxx-xxxx.
*** PAUSE ***
Keyboard clicking away, bubblegum chewing sounds and heavy breathing.

COLLECTOR:       This is an attempt to collect a debt and any information obtained will be used for that purpose. This is a communication from a debt collector. Thank you very much Mr. Smith. I see you have an account with an outstanding balance of $1,000. How are you planning on paying that today? 


DEBTOR:              Well actually I wanted to fax over some documentation to your office, and I didn’t know who was handling my account nor do I have their fax number. Can you help me?



COLLECTOR:       Well, what do you need to fax?

DEBTOR:              I have a settlement proposal letter and some other documents which I think you’ll want to see.

COLLECTOR:       I see. Ok, it looks like Lucy Garrison is in charge of your account. Her fax number is (000)-000-0000 and her extension is 143.

DEBTOR:              Thank you very much. I’ll get her the fax right away.

 

Fax over the settlement offer letter and any applicable documents to back up your hardship. Wait 24-48 hours. If you haven’t heard back from the collector, call and follow up.


DEBTOR:             Hi Lucy, my name is Joe Smith. I sent you a fax a couple days ago, and I wanted to make sure you received it.

COLLECTOR:       Oh, yes Joe. Let me pull up my notes. Ok, it looks like we submitted your offer of $300, however, our client informed me they can’t accept anything less than $800.

DEBTOR:              *** PAUSE – Wait five to 10 seconds ***
COLLECTOR:       Joe? You still there?
DEBTOR:              Yes, I’m still here.
DEBTOR:              *** PAUSE – Wait five to 10 seconds ***
COLLECTOR:       Uh...do you have $800 you can pay today?
DEBTOR:              *** PAUSE – Wait five to 10 seconds ***
COLLECTOR:       Joe? I can break that into several payments if that helps?
 


DEBTOR:              I appreciate the help Lucy. I’m just trying to figure out if I have $800 to give you.

DEBTOR:              Let’s do this. I need to check with my wife. She handles our finances. Let me see if I can get some more money together. Ok? I’ll give you a call back tomorrow.
COLLECTOR:       Ok, sounds good. Thanks for calling.    



The trap’s been set! The person didn’t put up a fight, didn’t react, and remained calm. Lucy thinks the debtor is trying to come up with extra money. Right? Wrong! They’re simply playing the negotiation game!

The important thing is to NEVER promise a specific dollar amount. Be vague and say “extra” money. Never say how much. Wait 24-48 hours and call back. You can call back that very same afternoon if you wish. I just prefer to stall longer. It makes you look less desperate.



Here we go, with the next call:
 

DEBTOR:              Hi Lucy, this is Joe Smith. I spoke to you the other day regarding my $1,000 debt. 

COLLECTOR:       Yes, I remember. Hi Joe. So, are you able to pay the $800 today?

DEBTOR:              Unfortunately my wife recently had emergency surgery, due to her cancer, and we’re very short on money at this time. That being said, we’re really trying. We were able to come up with more money but not as much as what your client was looking for.
COLLECTOR:       How much money do you have?
DEBTOR:              We have $400 that we can pay now or $500 at the end of the month. That’s all we have to spare.
COLLECTOR:       Hmm. That’s not really that much more money.
DEBTOR:              *** PAUSE – Wait five to 10 seconds ***
COLLECTOR:       I tell you what Joe. Let me submit the offer to my client and let’s see if they approve it or not.  Call me in a couple days. I should know by then. 



 
You might have noticed that Joe gave the creditor two options. He offered $400 immediately or $500 at the end of the month. This is a little trick I like to use. Believe it or not, it works very similarly with children.

For example: If your child is crying because they want to go to Disneyland, instead of saying NO, try offering them options. Such as, “We can’t go to Disneyland today honey, I don’t have the money right now, but, we could go to the park or you can come with me to the grocery store.” Don’t be surprised if they forget about Mickey Mouse and choose to go to the park.

In the previous example, I re-iterated the hardship several times. Some creditors claim to have “read” the hardship letter, but in reality, they skip to the section that discusses the settlement offer.

Ok, let’s pretend that 24-48 hours went by, let’s call Lucy:


 
DEBTOR:              Hi Lucy, this is Joe Smith. I spoke to you the other day regarding my $1,000 debt. 
COLLECTOR:       Yes, I remember. Hi Joe. Let me see my notes real quick. Ah, ok. It looks like my client came back and informed me they can accept      the $400 as a settlement. How would you like to pay?
DEBTOR:              Oh, wow! That’s great news! My wife will be relieved. I can give you a check over the phone just as soon as I get a letter of agreement.
COLLECTOR:       Yes, not a problem. What’s your fax number or e-mail?



Alright, it looks like the hard part was done. The agreement was for a dollar amount, and all that’s needed is a settlement letter and payment made. I’ll be going over more details on how to issue payments to creditors. I know it sounds simple enough, however, unless handled properly you may risk losing your settlement and money along the way. I’ll get into that in a moment, until then, I’ll give you another negotiations scenario. Here we go:


In the below example, there’s a $30,000 credit card that they’re trying to settle for $7,000.  We’ll skip the introduction between the debtor and creditor, and get right into negotiations. Let’s see what happens:


DEBTOR:             Hi Mr. Cole, my name is Joe Smith. I sent you a fax a couple days ago, and I wanted to make sure you received it.

COLLECTOR:       I don’t think I did. What did your fax say?

DEBTOR:              Well, it gives a lot of information regarding my current financial situation. Can you check to see if it’s on your desk? If not, I can re-fax it?
 

The above is a classic scenario in which a creditor hasn’t taken the time to read the letter and wants to talk money. They may be quite pushy over the phone. If you tell the creditor how much money you’re offering, they’re not going to care about your letter or hardship. If you’re one of those people that took the time to write a letter, which explains your situation, I highly recommend you re-fax it and explain that you want him/her to read it. Inform them:


DEBTOR:              Mr. Cole, I’m trying to offer a settlement, and my letter gives a lot of details regarding my current financial state. I included some documents that will help your client make their decision. If you can please forward the letter to your client, I would be more than grateful.



If you want to explain your hardship over the phone and THEN inform them of your settlement offer, that can work too. However, not everyone has excellent verbal skills and the creditor may cut you off, try to get straight to business and talk about money. This can be frustrating. If you’re confident in being able to direct the conversation accordingly, so that all your information is taken into account, then by all means do so.


Ok, let’s pretend you re-faxed your letter and now you’re following up. 


DEBTOR:             Hi Mr. Cole, did you receive my fax?

COLLECTOR:       I did and I submitted your offer to my client. Unfortunately we are only able to settle for $20,000. If you’d like, I can break that apart into several payments to make it work.

DEBTOR:              *** PAUSE – Wait five to 10 seconds ***
 
Now it’s time to lay the hardship on thick, and see about getting some extra funds together:

 
DEBTOR:             I see. To be honest with you I just don’t have $20,000 at this time. My wife recently had emergency surgery due to her cancer and we’re very short on money. She hasn’t been recovering very well and I’ve been taking time off from work to take care of her. I’ve been bathing and feeding her because we can’t afford a nurse. We haven’t paid our mortgage for three months. Her health is more important to me than anything. Please understand that we’re trying our best. I know $7000 may not be the amount your client is looking for but it’s all we have.
COLLECTOR:       Wow, sounds like you’re dealing with a lot. Although I’d love to help you, my client is the decision maker, not me. There’s nothing I can do. They will not accept anything less than $20,000.
DEBTOR:              *** PAUSE – Wait five to 10 seconds ***
DEBTOR:              I understand. Well I do appreciate you taking the time and submitting my offer.
COLLECTOR:       Not a problem Mr. Smith. You have a wonderful day and I hope your wife gets better. 

When you reach an impasse during negotiations, sometimes it’s best to wait. Mark your calendar when you made the offer… and wait. Just like in chess, each opponent is strategizing their next move. By not calling back, you’re letting the creditor know that you’re in no hurry to settle the account, nor do you have extra money. This waiting period can last weeks or months. In some scenarios, the creditor will never call you back. It would be your job to follow up. Don’t forget to follow up; especially if your account is less than 180 days delinquent and hasn’t been reported on your credit yet. You can get some great deals on pre-charge off accounts. If you’re unsure as to your charge off date, just ask the creditor, they should tell you.

In situations like the earlier example, the offer was $7,000! They’ll most likely keep tabs on you and follow up. A creditor will always try to squeeze more money out of a debtor. In fact, if you originally offered $7,000 at the beginning of the month, I’ll bet my bottom dollar the creditor will call you at some point in the last week of that same month. They might go as far as to ask for the $7,000 as a good faith payment or down payment. Be warned about this because they’ll take your money and it won’t go toward a settlement, it’ll just be applied to the account. That’s not what you want. Another good point on this is they may tell you to pay the minimum payment to extend your “charge off” date. This is a good idea if you’re close to coming up with a settlement. That way you buy yourself a little more time. Remember, timing is everything! Here’s another little secret for you.

Collectors usually close out their book between the 27th and 30th of the month. For collectors, those last couple days to collect money could mean the difference between that big bonus or extra commission in their pocket. They get desperate and begin to approve settlements for much lower amounts than they normally would have earlier in the month.

When I had my debt settlement company, I remember my negotiations team would be crazy busy on the last days of the month. The phones would ring off the hook. Then, just like a hurricane that passed, as soon as the first of the next month hit, the phones would go dead silent.

Let’s imagine, in the example I gave earlier that you don’t hear back from the creditor and weeks have passed You have two options at that point:

1. Call back near the end of any given month and re-offer your $7,000 2. Call back and offer 10-15 percent more money

Here’s the only downfall with offering more money. They’ll either submit your new offer to their client, approve the offer or they know they got you. What I mean by that, is that creditors will always try and squeeze more money out of you. In some cases, the creditor may deny you again just to see if you’ll call back to offer an even higher dollar amount.

Don’t worry; I have more tricks up my sleeve. Here are some good lines to use when a creditor is being difficult. You can play hardball too!



• “Unfortunately $7,000 is all I have. My concern is that I’ve just been offered a settlement on another account. They’re willing to accept my $7,000; however, I was hoping to take care of this account first. The truth of the matter is, I may not have any money for you after this month.”

• “I’m on (disability, retired, unemployed, or self-employed), and my income is minimal at best.”

• “I’m worried because if I’m unable to negotiate my accounts I’ll most likely have to file for bankruptcy. I’ve already consulted with an attorney and am considering my options. This money would have to cover his fee instead of going to my creditors.”

• “I’m curious, how long have you had this account in your office? How long do you expect to keep it?”

• “What was the date of my last payment? I believe my account is past the statute of limitations. If we can’t reach an agreement maybe I should just wait until it falls off my credit.” *Be careful with this one, it may just piss off the creditor. Use this with overseas collection agencies.

• “Ok, well I guess I better wait until my account goes to another collection agency since you’re unwilling to work with me. I’ve offered all the money I have.”
 
 
Before you use any of the above, make sure it’s appropriate to the conversation. For example, if a creditor has simply denied you the first time and you inform him that you’re going to wait until the account falls off your credit, this may make them angry. The examples I gave should be your last resort. If you’ve made several offers and the creditor won’t budge that’s when you leave them with an ultimatum and hang up. Wait and see if they call you back in a few days or a couple weeks. In some cases, if they’re being extremely difficult, you may have to wait until the account is sent to another collection agency.

Alright, now, let’s review the above in a nutshell. Here’s a brief list of DO’s and DON’TS when speaking to a debt collector:

• DO inform the creditor how much debt you have, especially if you have a large amount. They can see it on your credit report, so never lie.

• DO tell the creditor how many delinquent accounts you have.

• DO elaborate on your hardship and the reasons why you got into debt.

• DO tell a creditor your source of income IF it’s something like unemployment, disability, social security benefits, retirement, or no income at all.

• DO NOT tell a creditor how much money you get paid.

• DO NOT tell a creditor how much money is sitting in your checking or savings account unless it’s zero, or some ridiculously small amount such as $127.36.

• DO NOT tell a creditor that a “payment” will be made to them, unless you mean it!

• DO NOT tell a creditor that they’ll be the first account you settle.

• DO NOT offer a settlement percentage when speaking to a creditor, always offer a dollar amount like, “Will you take $475?” not, “All I have is 45 percent of the balance” the creditor can identify more with money than percentages. The only time you would use a percentage is when a creditor comes back with a counter offer, and you say “That’s 80 percent! That’s ridiculous.”

Ok, now that you’ve seen a couple examples of how a debt settlement conversation might go, I want you to practice. Anytime you want to master a special skill it often requires doing the activity over and over. That being said, I have several homework assignments for you to choose from, or you can do them all.

You’ll probably be shocked at the results! Remember how I said, “Don’t be afraid to ask” earlier in the book? You’d be amazed what you can accomplish by asking a simple question. Whether it’s the phone number for that girl/guy you’re interested in, a pay raise or you simply want a discount on a purchase or meal, ask! Don’t worry, I’m going to start with the easy stuff first.


Ready?

Set…

GO

       

DRILL#1 – GET A DEAL ON A MEAL

When eating at a restaurant ask them what their special is on the menu.
 
DRILL#2 – FIND SOMETHING DEFECTIVE
When purchasing an item at a store, find something with a slight defect and ask the cashier if you can get a discount. Even if it’s only 10-15 percent off. Stores often like to sell defective items and are more than willing to give a discount so long as the item gets sold. 

DRILL#3 – OFFER A LOWER PRICE

When purchasing an item at a store, ask, “How much.” When the sales person tells you, pause for five to 10 seconds, and offer a lower amount by 10-20 percent. For example, the item is priced at $140, offer something like “Hmm...How about $120?” Stay silent and see what they say.
 
DRILL#4 – OFFER A MUCH LOWER PRICE

Visit a yard sale or garage sale and find an item you’re truly interested in. Ask how much. Offer 50 percent of the price. If they can’t agree, find another item you like and do the same thing. Don’t be surprised if they agree the second or third time around.

 
DRILL#5 – ASK TO GET SOMETHING FOR FREE

This may seem like a difficult task but believe me it’s easier than you think. The establishment is your choice. All I want you to do is ask for something that’s free. Literally, “What can I get for free?” or “Can I get this for free?” You may be surprised by what they give you. I’ve done this myself on numerous occasions and have been given things from free food, transportation, rental/hotel upgrades, coupons, makeup, alcohol, T-shirts, mugs, Chapstick, stickers, you name it! You never know unless you try.
  

While it’s true that there are many aspects to negotiations, the basic principle of asking can be good enough. Yes, many will tell you, “Be nice,” “Don’t look too eager,” “Make the salesman feel comfortable” and so on. The truth is money talks! Sometimes that’s enough. That’s all I wanted you to practice, asking. The rest will happen naturally.

I hope by now you’ve found a new level of confidence in your negotiating skills. In the next chapter, I’m going to teach you the proper way of completing a settlement. Agreeing to a dollar amount is only half the battle, believe me. Taking care of the payment properly is quite important.